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Cross Atu
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Posted - 2012.11.28 19:27:00 -
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I like the idea of AUR priced BPOs being more widely available but only for Meta 1 and Militia level gear.
To introduce upper Meta BPOs would damage the over all balance and quality of the game moving it dangerously close to (if not outright into) 'pay to win' territory. The higher the Meta Level of the gear in question (suit, vehicle or mod) the more damage to the overall game it does.
Dust comprises a war between immortals where control of resources, rather than death, provides the true gain. And were loss of resources, rather than kills, are how one truly wounds an enemy.
Remove the risk of losing those suits, mods, vehicles et al while still allowing someone to field the best gear and you cut the heart out of both balance and fun within D514.
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Posted - 2012.11.29 02:09:00 -
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Nicol Bolas Planeswalker wrote:Cross Atu wrote:I like the idea of AUR priced BPOs being more widely available but only for Meta 1 and Militia level gear.
To introduce upper Meta BPOs would damage the over all balance and quality of the game moving it dangerously close to (if not outright into) 'pay to win' territory. The higher the Meta Level of the gear in question (suit, vehicle or mod) the more damage to the overall game it does.
Dust comprises a war between immortals where control of resources, rather than death, provides the true gain. And were loss of resources, rather than kills, are how one truly wounds an enemy.
Remove the risk of losing those suits, mods, vehicles et al while still allowing someone to field the best gear and you cut the heart out of both balance and fun within D514.
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Cross This is true, but how do we combat rich eve players financing dust corps? I intend to start playing eve so I can spam proto gear. This is in effect the same as upper tier BPO.
CCP has said for a long time that they intend to place constraints of some kind (the idea of a tax has been floated) on currency transfers between games so as to limit that type of problem. They've not yet released the specific details but have reiterated time and again that while Dust and EVE will eventually have fully integrated economies, they plan to take that process very slowly to ensure balance.
All that being said I think there's a very simple change which would mitigate much of the EVE/Dust currency imbalance.
Just shift the decimal point a place or two. If all ISK rewards and costs where higher it would change nothing for the D514 side of things but it would reduce the impact EVE ISK could have on Dust.
Normalize (doesn't have to be totally equivalent, there are other factors like production, transport, expend-ability and resources required for production all to consider when creating a cost baseline) the effective value of the currency within both games and things should be reasonably stable. Because at that point while you'd still gain an advantage by playing an EVE character it would be more commensurate with the additional player time spent working towards goals within New Eden and that retains internal balance (for a pure Dust side example, all of us who play in the beta will have advantages due to our player time invested at live launch even though there will be a rest. Another Dust example would be playing three characters in the same Corp and sharing ISK/gear between them).
Cheers,
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Posted - 2012.11.29 03:11:00 -
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HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Every person in this thread that does NOT think this is a good idea is a jobless mothers basement dweller.IMO lol.Just sayin.
And has enough time on there hands during the day to AFK mine on EVE to pay for endless amounts of VK Protos with complex modules.Others of us with "responsibilities"(like jobs) do not have the luxury to do that.
Also when the market opens up to the PS3 user and I can buy PLEX to exchange into ISK.....tell me who is gonna work for who?I already know where and who will give me the best exchange rate for conversion and current market value.So your lame attempts to stop this from occurring in the future will be circumvented.I too will buy proto with ISK,or with AUR.This stops nothing.CCP could just cut out the middle man.
My grandpa used to say "There is always,more than one way, to skin a cat."
Your above reasoning seems to lack a certain internal cohesion, some examples.
First Paragraph
You state that those opposed to this idea must be jobless, and playing EVE (~$15 USD per month)
You equate the ability to take AFK actions with lots of free time spent in game (Away From Keyboard)
You conclude your first paragraph by stating that those with jobs don't have the "luxury" to engage in these actions (how does having a job prevent one from either taking AFK actions or paying the required month subscription for EVE?)
Second Paragraph
You state that when the full player market is enabled you'll be able to use PLEX to effectively achieve the same result you're asking for (paying IRL cash to ensure you're fully stocked with gear) and then go on to reiterate that the presence or lack there of, of your suggestion in the OP "stops nothing".
You state you will buy proto with ISK or with AUR (something you can essentially do within the CODEX build as it stands).
I do agree with your grandfather tho, and since there's more than one way, and at least one is already present why concern yourself with debating in a forum thread over being able to do something you can, by your own reasoning, already do?
Unless a feature of your job responsibilities is the ability to "afk forum post" 
A few quick closing notes on the actual mechanical implications of the OP.
1 year subscription to EVE Online - $131.40 USD (including discount)
-- Resulting direct ISK gain or savings = 0.00 ISK
Purchasing 3 Copies of every BPO in Dust - <$60 USD
-- Resulting direct ISK gain or savings = Unlimited free Meta 1 dropsuit fittings for the entirety of D514
Both of these things also include the opportunity to earn (and lose) ISK, notable difference currently include, the EVE subscription having a higher likely ISK per Week earning, and the Dust "subscription" being 100% free without expiration.
In the current system maintenance of ones supply of gear requires action, either earning ISK through in game means (be that EVE or Dust) or buying AUR through out of game means (in this case the action is maintaining your stream of revenue). It is also possible to hybridize these two methods in any proportions a player sees fit (provided the requisite action threshold is met).
The addition of top Meta BPOs removes the action requirement, replacing it with a "fire and forget" style mechanic whereby through use of (fairly minimal) out of game currency a user would be able to sidestep the majority of key in game consequences for choices and action. In a single player game what you're proposing amounts to enabling a cheat code.
In an MMO environment it is the very essence of pay to win.
So since (as I've just outlined) the change would be damaging to the game, and since (as you assert in your quoted post) you'll be able to do what you want to do within the current iteration. We can all draw this thread to a close knowing that the current build suits each of us, at least in regards to this singular issue.
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Posted - 2012.11.29 05:28:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:HECATONCHIRES GYGES wrote:Im tired.I have to be at work by 5am tomorrow.Any way s befor ethe forums swallowed my post.You can already buy Proto Relic Drop suits and the other 2 as well.Making a BPO is the same thing as the ones currently available for AUR its just a one time buy is all.I dont know how much theyll cost and ill probably wait to see if the first one that is ever made available gets nerfed if not I'll buy 1. "Making a BPO is the same thing as the ones currently available for AUR its just a one time buy is all." THAT'S EXACTLY WHY IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. One-time purchases should ONLY be cheap junk or a half-step above that level. Quality gear should ALWAYS have a cost per use involved.
^This.
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